TDs who voted for water charging and eventual privatisation

TDs who voted for water charging and eventual privatisation

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Here is the Dáil vote on the water services legislation that gave away our resources to private hands

The names in Green voted for this give away

If these TDs are in your constituency well, now you know who definitely NOT to vote for in the next election. Instead why not elect a DDI candidate and give ourselves a chance of implementing citizens’ initiated referendum so that we the people can prevent these decisions being made.

The Seanad debate is happening right now and we will see tonight if they return the Bill to the House.

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42 Comments

  • Posted December 18, 2014

    liam bartley allen

    Well,be honest with you,I’m not voting for some of the other either.some of them did a u-turn + I don’t trust them too.

    • Posted December 18, 2014

      Admin D

      Well if you are voting perhaps you will vote DDI

      • Posted December 19, 2014

        Andy G

        I still might vote DDI,.. but if it comes to a referendum to introduce water charges for mains water then I’ll vote YES!!
        People can pay for services they use,… and most people on the mains can afford to do so,, and the poor get a free water allowance which is generous enough.

  • Posted December 18, 2014

    Andy G

    I’m not saying that mains water should be handed over to some corporation,.. but it’s perfectly fair to have water charges so that those using a service are the very ones paying for it,… AS IT SHOULD BE!!!!!
    The I’m-Entitleds are the real criminals who are happy to hold(or appoint someone else to hold) the gun to the head of the taxpayer in order ti fund their various entitlements as opposed to paying their own way.

    • Posted December 18, 2014

      Admin D

      Problem is that these stealth charges are all regressive taxes, whereby everyone pays teh same tax no matter how much or how little they earn. It recreates a new poverty we haven’t seen since before the wars. It is not based on ability to pay and therefore just increases the gap between rich and poor

      • Posted December 19, 2014

        Andy G

        No, they just like road taxes and electricity charges are direct charges for services used!!!
        And, No ,.. poor people get a substantial water allowance and are only charged once they pass this,.. which is generous enough.
        I’m not rich and but I didn’t expect the townies to come subsidize the drilling of my well. Also not to sound too harsh, but a lot of the financial problems faced by the poor(and too often entitled) could very often be solved to a very large extent through encouragement of more responsible spending,.. i.e don’t waste your dole on booze and fags,… don’t have a pile of kids you can’t afford etc etc.

        What should be protested are forms of general taxation such as income tax, and VAT which are actual theft and don’t reflect the services people use.
        Even, say a flat tax of 10% above a minimum cut-off point would be fairer than what we have now.

        • Posted December 19, 2014

          Cathy

          Andy g you are so ill informed it is laughable. Personally in the last few months have found myself in a position where I am finding it hard to put a roof over my 3 children’s heads because we were deserted by their father. If water charges come into effect I doubt I can pay. I don’t drink and I don’t smoke so what I am getting goes on food, clothing heat, electricity and rent. Not all of the poor people in society are wasters some of us are just down on our luck. The fact is that this tax will push a lot of families (working or not) below the poverty line irregardless of what concessions are being promised.

          • Posted December 19, 2014

            Andy G

            Deserted by the father??,.. shouldn’t he be hunted down for child support or something??!!
            As for myself,.. I’m a childfree bachelor,.. not sure why I or others like me should pay someone else’s genetic legacy, be it a single mother or otherwise. Perhaps if the system pandered less to the entitled, then people might actually have kids when and if they can afford them, and of a number they can afford.

          • Posted December 20, 2014

            Cathy

            Obviously that is exactly the route I am taking and for your information we could afford to support all 3 children, had our own well and still actually had compassion for those less fortunate. By your responses to everyone on here you are ignorant, ill informed and still quite young. I hope you wise up to the world at large as you grow up if not you would fit in well in Fg or Labor

          • Posted December 20, 2014

            Andy G

            Having read my posts why on earth would you think I’d want to be part of FG or Labor?? For starters I don’t support forced general taxation, so i wouldn’t take a government job funded that way.
            Perhaps a Libertarian party, who’s elected members waived their government salaries and pensions might be somewhat attractive,.. but fat chance of such a party getting elected in Eire the Entitled.

        • Posted December 19, 2014

          Seamus

          Who the fuck are you to tell anyone. How to live there lives

          • Posted December 19, 2014

            Andy G

            I don’t give a fuck how others choose to live their lives.
            Who the fuck are you to hold a gun(directly or indirectly) to someone else’s head and demand they hand over their money and resources.

        • Posted December 19, 2014

          David

          You just blamed the recession on poor people’s spending? Get out.

          • Posted December 19, 2014

            David

            I am so infuriated by this condescending bullshit “don’t spend your dole on fags” Get a clue you idiot.

          • Posted December 19, 2014

            Andy G

            No,.. I blame the existence of highly immoral government,, on the highly immoral people who wish to said government as a violent proxy to extract resources/money from others to pay for their entitlements.

    • Posted December 19, 2014

      David Nolan

      What do you mean by as,it should be, because at the moment we already do, if you disagree tell me why?

      • Posted December 19, 2014

        Andy G

        Because the many of the wrong people are paying,, i.e. those not on the water mains are still force to subsidise it through general taxation

        • Posted December 19, 2014

          Admin D

          Then the political solution would be to have a tax rebate surely ?

          • Posted December 20, 2014

            Andy G

            That would be reasonably acceptable,, but hardly as practical.

  • Posted December 18, 2014

    kevin doyle

    a sad day when the will of the people is wholly disregarded

    • Posted December 19, 2014

      Andy G

      A sad day when the I’m-Entitleds disregard the freedoms of those paying for their entitlements.
      I’m not on mains water,.. so why should I or people like me be forced via taxation to subsidize people on the mains???

      I never once expected the townies to pay for my well and pump, or the electricity used to run it, or the filter that needs to be change every few months. /:(

      • Posted December 19, 2014

        Seamus

        We said noting about the grants

  • Posted December 18, 2014

    irish

    Shame on them . Not Irish in my eyes

    • Posted December 19, 2014

      Andy G

      Shame on you for being entitled.
      People like you are more than happy to have the gun of the state held to the head of the general taxpayer just so you can have your goodies for “free”( by which I mean paid for by someone else)

      • Posted December 19, 2014

        Proinsias

        Andy; your completely irrational anger and relentless attacking of the have nothings is tiresome to read. You have your own well, good for you )Irish Water still want control over it don’t you know) You must have a bit of land then, good for you. You possibly had a reasonable start in life? many haven’t.

        Every time a person makes a purchase in Ireland; be they homeless or a financial consultant they pay tax in the form of VAT. No-one in the country refuses to pay income tax albeit riddled with disparity, should they be fortunate enough to have a good job.

        The real thieves and crooks, Andy, the worst ‘entitlementers’ as well you know but refuse to rationally condemn, are our politicians pay and ‘entitlements’ past and present, that is the greatest form of welfare fraud & hand outs ever. You have fallen hook-line-and sinker for the Neo-conservative Right wing FG sponsored media inquisition against the least fortunate in society.

        They have a hotline now so people with irrational hatred and vindictive suspicion can call to ‘give information’ on those they suspect of welfare fraud; just like the Nazi’s did in the 1930/40’s in Germany. Go ahead Andy, make the call and get a good nights sleep afterwards.

        • Posted December 19, 2014

          Andy G

          I don’t support general taxation (income tax, VAT, property tax) or anything funded by it,, including politicians pay.
          What I do support is direct charges for services used.

          • Posted December 19, 2014

            Admin D

            I believe the issue is that a fair society is based on ability to pay, otherwise you would have to also value everyone labour the same whether they are a hospital consultant or a cleaner, as they are both doing the same hours and both jobs are essential cogs in the wheel. You can’t justify regressive charges without that

          • Posted December 19, 2014

            Andy G

            @Admin D, there’s already a progressive charge on water. Poor people get a substantial allowance of free water,.. above which they pay like everyone else which is fair enough. Just like welfare it’s meant to get you by, but not allow you to live like a king at everyone else’s expense.

      • Posted December 19, 2014

        Seamus

        Wrong again I work and pay more tax then you I bet.????

  • Posted December 19, 2014

    Medinnersready

    A parallel list of these TDs constituencies/wards would be a very helpful (and maybe insightful) piece of information? Anyone know if there’s one of those?

  • Posted December 19, 2014

    Derek Stanbridge

    Dirty traitors that’s all them are sick of the Government taking everything and playing with peoples life’s sick to death of the dirt waste of tax payers money! What goes around comes around and them dirt that voted to put forward water charges, will get there come up ins ! Waste of spec the lot of them!

  • Posted December 19, 2014

    Andy G

    Actually it’s the Entitleds(people like yourself) who are largely responsible for taxation, and waste thereof, since they insist on voting in people to steal on their behalf.
    You’d hardly expect to see a real honest politician with libertarian values being voted into office any time soon in the land of entitled begrudgers.

    • Posted December 19, 2014

      J G

      give it a rest will you! ya government cronie! nobody wants to hear your pro irishwater nonsense

      • Posted December 19, 2014

        Andy G

        You got to be taking the piss,.. I’ve already made it abundantly clear that I oppose general taxation. Why the fuck would I then work for the government and have an income derived from taxation.
        I’m not pro Irish water either,… far from it. I just want those who use a service to be the ones who fund it. Localities can sort out individually how they want to fund their water networks.

    • Posted December 19, 2014

      Proinsias

      Now it’s anyone who posts here is responsible according to Andy! lol …. begrudgers he says! Andy you’re hilarious!

      • Posted December 19, 2014

        Andy G

        If you vote for someone with the view that they steal on your or anyone else’s behalf then YES you are responsible for a system that imposes forced taxation on people.
        The fact you think this is hilarious suggests a deeply ingrained sense of entitlement,… again hardly surprising in this country.

    • Posted December 19, 2014

      John N

      Andy your relentless narrsisism is not good for my rage -do you work for RTE?- Your opinion has been made, nobody cares and I certainly disagree. Move on.

  • Posted December 19, 2014

    Popsey

    You uneducated fool! What part of ‘we already pay for our water’ do you not get???? We also have an eu exemption to water charges!!!!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

  • Posted December 19, 2014

    Mike Walsh

    Why isn’t there a share option on this. This should get to everyone in the Country including those on the list to let them know we are not asleep and dumb.

  • Posted December 19, 2014

    Billy Regan

    We will see come election day. God help us, but I fear FG/? Will get in again – maybe ff?

  • Posted December 20, 2014

    Tina Andreucetti (@Livelifefullon)

    Andy G I hope you never have to reply on the state, good will of others or charity. Not all “poor people” waste their scant resources. The majority of them manage in ways you can only imagine. A bit of humility, awareness and empathy would improve your view of the world.

  • Posted December 21, 2014

    mark boyle

    familys are losing their homes to the banks,for not being able to pay after losing their jobs which many have held for years paying tax.how are they to survive,one day someone will snap after losing everything they have worked for ,and have nothing left to live for ,and maybe take one of them responsable to the grave with them,

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